Now that we have those out of the way, let’s begin:
Last spring I decided to take the plunge and give anabolic steroids a try.
There were several reasons why I decided to do this:
–As I’ve mentioned in previous articles, I’ve been lifting weights since I was 14 years old, so at the time I started this cycle, I had already had 17 years of experience in the gym. I was also 31 years old last spring. I’m mentioning these two points here for a reason: I think it’s extremely important that, if and when you decide for yourself if you want to take steroids, that you be old enough, and have had enough years of experience in the gym.
–I felt as though I had achieved my genetic potential.
–I have an experimental mind, enjoy experimenting with things that affect my performance. Particularly, with substances that have the ability to enhance me cognitively, or physically. With regard to cognitive or physical performance enhancement that is. I use the term performance enhancement in a general sense, meaning I don’t specifically mean steroids.
Performance enhancement I define as anything that has the potential to allow me to do something better, quicker, or more effectively than I’d be able to otherwise.
–I have a keen interest in my body as it relates to muscle mass, body fat, and just overall fitness.
–I trust myself and my ability to safely use anabolic steroids responsibly. I’d put months and months of research into the subject, it’s not something I just woke up one morning and decided to do.
The main book which drove my decision to do this was John Doe Bodybuilding’s book ”Straight From The Underground”. The link right there will take you right to the book.
My curiosity about the subject was obviously already there, which is why I bought the book. After reading it, however, I felt much more confident in my ability to embark on it safely and correctly. Without that book, I’m really not sure how long it would have taken to feel comfortable going on gear. Probably several months longer.
It took a couple of days to read the book, so any way you look at it, extensive research beforehand is essential. You really need to know what you’re doing before you decide to make this decision.
Let me get this out of the way first: It is not commonly advised, even by me, to stack 3 different compounds on your 1st cycle (like I did). On my 2nd cycle, I did Testosterone 400 only, which even by itself was enough.
The reason they advise this is because, when you stack all 3 on your 1st cycle, you may not be able to clearly tell what results are coming from which compound.
Like I mentioned, I’ve since done a 2nd cycle of Test 400 only, so that allowed me to know what side effects were only resulting from the Test and not from the Winstrol or Anavar.
In any event here is what I experienced from each one, and some thoughts I have for anyone interested in trying them. The brand I used for all 3 was Toraxx.
Before:
After:
Test 400:
Test 400 is a long-chain, slow release testosterone. This one was a combo mixture of Test Cypionate and Test Enanthate. I recommend starting with either this same thing, or just Cypionate.
So my experience? Wow, where do I start here? My first dose of test was a 400 mg. dose, so was the 2nd, so was the 3rd. This was actually a mistake believe it or not. My inexperienced ass didn’t realize I was shooting up 400 mgs. of Test instead of 200 mgs, so make sure you know how much you’re drawing into your needle.
After the 3rd week, I dropped it down to 200-250 mgs. This is enough for me and gave me the desired effect I wanted for my first run at this.
In a nutshell, trying Test for the 1st time in way felt like being reborn again. It’s hard to translate it into words. It’s one of those compounds where, the first time you try it, you never forget what it felt like.
A couple of other things I’ve taken in my life that also had this effect were: Vyvanse, phenibut, alcohol, and weed. I’m not saying those are good substances to consume (phenibut can be), I’m simply saying that I’ll never ever forget the first time I experienced their effects, and Testosterone was no different.
Positive Side Effects:
1.) I felt much more POWERFUL. Just in a general sense. I felt more in control, more decisive, and more sure of my decisions. I didn’t 2nd guess myself at all really.
2.) The most confident I’ve ever felt, other than being under the influence of alcohol or phenibut. The confidence radiated off of me in a way that it never had before previously.
3.) Women were drawn to me. They noticed me much more acutely than before I went on the test. It’s like when you wear a nice suit worth over $1,000. Women do double-takes and check you out at least 3X as often as they would otherwise. On Test it’s the same thing, except you’re not wearing the suit.
They can actually smell it on you.
4.) Faster Metabolism. Much faster. This one is obvious if you know about testosterone already.
5.) Better work ethic. Although not extremely noticeable, I seemed to have more energy while on Test. More accurately: my sense of DRIVE was amplified. I wanted to go after what I wanted even more than I already do anyway.
6.) My skin seemed to look better. I had a certain glow, and probably looked just a bit more youthful.
7.) Another bonus was that it wasn’t too expensive for how much I got. This might vary for you depending on your source. I only paid $50 for a vile that last me about 12 weeks. That’s even with the large 400 mg. doses I took for the first 3 weeks.
Negative Side Effects:
1.) It made me extremely hungry. All I thought about was food and sex. I felt like a caveman. The hunger was a big negative for me, because I already get hungry a lot, and this side effect definitely did not help in that regard.
2.) Facial water-retention. I had what they call ”gear-face”. You might notice this slightly in the photos above. This only happened on the my 1st cycle though, or at least it was only noticeable on my 1st one.
If this happens to you I would recommend taking Dandelion Root. This is a supplement you can buy at Vitamin Shoppe. It’s a diuretic so it helps mitigate this facial water retention.
3.) Intense, out-of-nowhere aggression when drinking. I didn’t really notice any aggression while I was sober, but there were a few Saturday nights where I had a few drinks, and then some trivial annoyances sent off the handle.
Nothing too crazy, but I have a bit of a temper anyway, so these little bouts were a little scary. Scary in the sense that I momentarily lost control, the anger sort took control.
The keys to avoiding this are:
– Don’t drink while on Test, or at least don’t drink as much. This is more so when you’re doing ”Cycles”, where you go on and then go off of test. If the Test becomes a permanent thing for you (TRT), then your body probably learns to adapt to the combination. Drinking isn’t a good habit to have anyway.
–Be aware of it. By that I mean, just be conscientious of the fact that if you have more than a couple of drinks while on Test, there’s a much higher likelihood that you’ll experience roid rage. Being aware of this beforehand will allow you (hopefully) to catch yourself while in these moments and help to calm you down.
This how it was for me, it only took about 30 seconds to calm down and come back to reality once I noticed what was happening.
Now let’s discuss the Anavar cycle component of this whole experience. The only thing I honestly really noticed about Anavar was the intense vascularity I got from it. I’m already pretty vascular, but the Anavar really amplified it. I looked like I could rip someone’s goddamn head off (and thanks to the Test I felt like I could have).
My daily dose of this was moderate: about 30 mgs. a day. Being that this was my first time, and I already felt like I was overdoing it slightly by stacking 3 compounds, 30 mgs. was what I felt comfortable with.
–Anavar is a cutting agent. Although still not a fat burner, if cutting is what you’re looking to do, then Anavar works well in this regard.
–No estrogen conversion, which is nice.
–Mild substance, in my opinion, it’s a good choice for your 2nd cycle, but not all by itself. Let me be clear here: Anavar shouldn’t be taken all itself, it should be taken in combination with at least one other compound, like Test for example. I didn’t take Anavar itself obviously but based on my research and what I’ve read, credible sources have told me this is advised.
Although the side effects are minimal, that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
–Has the potential to do damage to your liver and triglycerides. Will likely do mild damage to your cholesterol and lipid profile.
–Often fake and/or expensive. Make sure you’re getting this stuff from a credible source. I used the Toraxx brand, but the actual source I got it from was credible as well, so make sure the same can said for you. For me, the Anavar and Winstrol together was about $250 for 50 mg. pills (both of them were 50 mgs.). I cut these in half to get my 25-30 mg. dose. This was for 50 Anavar tablets, and 50 Winstrol tablets.
Obviously, they’re not cheap, so just be aware of that right now.
Winstrol (Stanozolol):
My daily dose of Winny was about 30mgs. per day as well (6 days a week), so the same as the Anavar. The negative side effects from Test were much more noticeable than what I got from either Winstrol or Anavar.
Winstrol mainly helps add muscle mass and vascularity. Any side effects that you’ll feel from these 2 compounds you’ll probably feel more so from Winstrol than you will from Anavar.
Positive Effects:
–As mentioned, intense vascularity, see here:
–Winstrol is a also cutting agent. Although also not a fat burner, if cutting is what you’re looking to do, then Winstrol works great in this regard.
–No water retention, in fact, Winstrol will dry you out.
–Winstrol is not a derivative of Test, so there’s no estrogen conversion once you get off of it. That said, no Aromatase Inhibitor (AI) is needed.
–Higher energy levels, and greater sense of well-being. You’ll feel a lot better day to day while on it. There may even be an extra pep in your step.
Negative Effects:
– Winstrol, especially when taken orally, can be toxic to your liver. It is not advised at all to drink while taking Winny, especially if you take the oral version.
– It could increase your blood pressure and cholesterol. If you already have high blood pressure or any cholesterol problems, then I would steer clear of Winstrol.
I personally didn’t notice any change in my blood pressure or cholesterol, so it’s not guaranteed to affect you in these areas, but it could. To be honest: its negative side effects are minimal when compared to what you get in return from the positive ones. To me, the positives outweigh the negatives.
That’s assuming you’re going to take these responsibily like I did. Meaning you’re going to do your research and not drink while on either of these. Taking these responsibly means not overdoing the dosage by taking a very high milligram dose each day. There’s a right way and wrong way to do everything, you can’t just make up your own rules, sorry pal but that’s not how things work.
I’m not saying you can’t take more than 30 mgs. a day, but for God’s sake don’t be an idiot, use common sense and know what’s too much and what isn’t.
Speaking of that:
DO NOT run Winstrol for longer than 6 weeks.
If you do you’ll start to feel lethargic due to its effect on your liver. 5-6 weeks is good for a Winstrol cycle.
If you’re looking for two steroids that have the least number of side effects, Anavar and winstrol are probably it.
One thing I haven’t mentioned yet: I did not start the Anavar Winstrol cycle until 3 weeks after I started the Test. It may have even been closer to 4 weeks. The idea behind that was to try to get down to 10% body-fat on just the Test, and then use the Winstrol and Anavar to get down to and maintain 8% body-fat.
This didn’t exactly happen, I think I got down to 10%, but that was my intention. I would recommend this as opposed to jumping on all 3 at the exact same time (running the Test for the first 3 weeks, then adding in the Winstrol and Anavar at week 3-4).
That’s of course if I cannot convince you to only stick with Test for your 1st cycle, which again I advise.
Doing the 3 of these would be perfect for a 2nd cycle (instead of the 1st one).
CONCLUSION:
So there you go. There’s so much to cover on these. I probably left some details out, but tried to remember as much as I could. There will be more articles on the subject in the future, as I’ll experiment with other compounds.
Just remember the advice I gave you throughout this article, I wrote it all for a reason: so you would follow it. It would be worth going back and reading this again another time or two.
Also, I cannot recommend enough that you read John Doe’s book. Without this book, I would have been so clueless it’s not even funny. For example, injection techniques are not something I covered in this article, for the proper way to inject, and the right kind of needles/syringes, I would refer to his book.
Here it is again: ”Straight From The Underground”.
Until we meet again,
-Matt Mitchell
See next: Primobolan (Mentholone Enanthate): My Experiences From My 3rd Cycle.
Thanks for sharing! Very informative first hand experience. Fantastic. Kuddos!
Sure man, hope it was helpful.
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Thanks Mitch. Made a substantial impact on your physique in 6 weeks. How much cardio did you do? Were you lifting 4-5 x per week? Other than the drinking, were you on a strict diet? Ben
Hey Ben, yes I did, thanks for the comment. I did not do much cardio, I ran once a week for 20-30 minutes, that’s it. Yes I was lifting 4-5X per week. My diet was fairly strict, not as good as it should have been, but I tried. My self discipline is better now than it was a year ago. The diet was mainly void of carbohydrates, sweets, and diary. A lot of protein, only water and coffee (black). I did intermittent fasting.
Did you take 30 mg of Anavar and 30 mg of Winny at the same time?
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Wow, extremely informative, I made the mistake of running a huge cycle for well over a year and as a result got a very bad case of gyno …. I’ve been off everything now for 6 months actually had to have cosmetic surgery to fix the gyno and now I’m ready to start a new cycle ( just took my blood test to make sure the last cycle didn’t kill me and everything is back in order ) I’m 38 6” and 205lbs around 13% bf … I have test sust , test p, Anavar , and winni…. I’m gonna run exactly what you just stated as your first cycle 12 weeks and I’m out and of course I’ve got my pct in order … thanks for sharing your story pics look great!
Hi..
Is there any way to reduce gyno…I meant without surgery..?
Hey bro,
I have no idea, probably not. If I were you I would go the extreme to get gyno taken care of, if there were something more extreme than surgery I would even go for that if it meant getting rid of gyno. Surgery isn’t your problem, the fact that you have gyno is
Clomid and nolva will sort it
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Hi Matt –
What was your PCT for the first cycle? Did you do blood work throughout?
Thanks!!!
Drey
Hey Drey,
Yes I did get my bloodwork done, I had Tomoxifen on hand, but I ended up not needing to use it at all. Guess I’m not prone to Gyno.
The best PCT that I can recommend is Red PCT 2.0, which you’ll find here at Red Supplements.com
Yo mitch, when leaning down u eat calories deificit on cyle or just maintanance calorie? Would love hearing from you
Hello,
I ate calories on a deficit, in the beginning, until I got down to a certain point, then I just maintained.
hi matt,
i think u meant didn’t run winny and anavar as the testo run on the first 4weeks right? the testo couldn’t run it best by itself alone?
so need to run either testo+winny on the first 4-6weeks and added on anavar for the rest weeks or testo+winny+anavar on the whole 12weeks?
I ran Test by itself for the 1st 3 weeks. I had never taken Test before, so I wanted to at least run that all by itself for the 1st 3 weeks. At the 3 week mark, I then added the Winstrol and Anavar. From week 3 and on I was on all 3 of them at once. On your 1st cycle, I recommend doing it differently than I did, and only taking Test (not Test, Winstrol and Anavar, as I feel its overkill for a 1st cycle). On your 2nd cycle, after you’ve gotten a good idea of how your body reacts to just the Test, then you can add in other compounds. I don’t recommend taking orals like I did either, they are terrible for your liver. IF you’re going to make the decision to go on cycle, ideally its best to stack compounds, you’ll get much better results that way, but on your very 1st cycle don’t worry about stacking, Test by itself is enough.
Hey man, nice post.
I just wanted to ask you for your opinion on this cutting cycle I’m thinking of running, it’s actually my 4th.
100mg Test Gel (TRT Dose) per week
50mg Anavar per day
50mg Winstrol per day
20mg Cardarine per day
10mg RAD140 per day
6 weeks duration
PCT:
Clomid-Nolva-Test Booster
4-6 weeks
That sounds like a good cycle. I ran my Test at 200-250 mg. a week. 6 weeks is pretty short, but not sure where you got that cycle suggestion from. My cycle in this article was 10 weeks. I ran the Test by itself at 200-250 mg a week for 3 weeks, then added the anavar and winstrol for 5 weeks, then ended it with 1-2 weeks of just Test and Red PCT.
Great article Matt, I recently just started my first cycle (test only.) my friend is doing test and Anavar however he has done several cycles prior. He said first cycle I should take test only, is this correct? Also what pct should I follow? Dosage and length of time?
Thanks,
If you’re going to make the decision to go on gear, then yes you should ONLY take Test on the 1st cycle. That’s what I said to do in this article you just read. I’m not advocating people take winstrol, anavar, and Test on their 1st cycle, I’m just explaining what to expect once you do get to that point. Red PCT (from Red Supplements.com) is the best PCT to take. I would take 3 pills a day until the bottle runs out.
do you start Red PCT 2.0 two weeks after end of cycle or during? Do you still recommend Nolvadex?
On another note, i just started a 8 weeks 300mg test – what is the best option for PCT you would recommend…
Hey David,
Nolvadex is fine too. I would start the Red PCT 10 days after your last dose of Test.
Either of these would work fine as a PCT.
Hi Matt, I came across this article as i am myself considering a first ever cycle and as we have very similar statistics with regards to age, height, weight and years training naturally i found it very informative. Not only that but after researching my options extensively i am now considering a 6 week Winstrol oral and a pretty low dose of Test once a week. My aim is to put quality but not huge amounts of mass while shredding fat. I don’t want “drastic” changes weight wise, and my diet and supplementing is on point, being able to maintain around 10Lbs of muscle is my goal. PCT, managing side effects, diet and training aside, is what I’m considering for my first cycle a good option to achieve my goal? Any other advice would be much appreciated, thanks!
Yes that sounds good. If I could go back and do it again, I would have upped my Test dosage to 300mgs. per week. I don’t think 200mgs. was enough, even though I still got good results, they probably could have been slightly better with a slightly higher dose. I wouldn’t go too high, especially not on your 1st cycle, but you don’t want to go too low either. Take close note of how your body reacts to the Test as many guys react to it differently.
hey matt i am thinking about running a anavar and winny cycle i have a few questions. When should these be taken through out the day? also how much should be taken of each?
If you run winny and anavar you need pct cycle ?
I ran Test with this particular cycle, that’s why you would want to add PCT to the end of the cycle (because of the estrogen conversion from the Test).
So if you not use testo you don’t need pct . Correct ?
hi man quick one what was your PCT???
Honestly I didn’t do any PCT, I didn’t need to. That partly had to do with the fact that I wasn’t taking a high dose every week, but it mainly had to do with the fact that I’m not prone to gyno. If I were to take one however I would have used RED PCT right here: Red PCT.
Hi, congrats for this website/videos. Inspiring! Could you please recommend where you purchased the Test E? I reached 40 and I’m ready to make a run while following your tips. Much appreciated
I cant give a recommendation like that. You should go to an Anti-aging physician, or an Endocrinologist. They are more likely to give you prescription for TRT than a normal doctor. If you guys liked this article then you might want to check out another article I wrote where I talk about Test and TRT. That article can be found right here
Hi, I’m thinking about running testosterone enanthate 250mg , 3 bottles for my first cycle. Probably up to 16 weeks. What dosages should I do, I was thinking about 1ml 2x a week. Any recommendations?
Great article. Sounds like everything worked out well. Do have a source? Looking to try doing this my self. I’m not a spammer. I’m a real dude. Lol
Hey i wonder if i only can fin anavar ans winstrol together? 60mg of winstrol stack with 60mg of anavar
That’s a pretty like a high dosage for each pill, that’s more than is necessary in my opinion, I only took half of those amounts per day.
I did things a bit backwards I think. I have been on 50mg of Winstrol for almost 2 weeks now and will now be implementing Test since based on what I understand from your article I should have done the opposite. But I’m here now and want to maximize my results. I just turned 40 have been lifting a long time and at 5′ 10″ and my ideal weight when lean is about 200 which would have me at about 9-10% body fat, I’m sitting at about 215 right now. This is also my first time using any “gear”. The point of the winny was to cut down. So with that said, if you were me, would you do the remaining 3-4 weeks of Winny with Test added right away…and if so…how much Test? I appreciate your input. Thanks in advance.
Yes, at this point just combine the two. I would take 300-400 mgs. a week of test since you’re over 35 now. Probably like 350-375 mgs. a week if I were you. 30-40 mgs. of Winny. Cut way back on your drinking though if you’re gonna take orals.
30-40 mgs. a day of Winny to be clear (but not for more than 5-6 weeks like I said in the article)
Thanks for the reply Matt…a few follow up questions…I’m new to using gear. I’ve got ample Sustanon 250 and will be using that for my test. When I finish up the Winny in a few weeks, should I keep going on the test at the same level you recommend? I have Nolvadex ready to go for my PCT…so if I do stay on the test since (I just started it a week ago), would I wait until I’m off the test before beginning the PCT? Now the last question…my natural Test was pretty low…right around 300 in the last two tests I did, which is why I opted to go the route I’m going currently, should I do the PCT and maintain a lower dose of Sustanon as TRT or will that combo just not do what I need it to do?
I want to be able to get lean through this and then much like yourself maintain it, but my lower T levels has made it much harder these last few years.
Yes I would keep dosing at the amount you’re dosing. As far as the PCT, wait until about 10 days after your last injection of Test to start that. Or maybe you can start the PCT 8 or 9 days after. If you’re still taking the Test you don’t need to start the PCT yet. I’m not sure that I fully understand your 2nd question, maybe you can as it a different way if I don’t indirectly answer it here. If you’re 40 you probably need to get on a permanent TRT regimen. I would go to an Anti-Aging Physician or an Endocrinologist and get a prescription.
I’m a female. Workout 6x a week and do 30 minutes of cardio daily, eating 1200 calories a day. I’m 155lbs and I trying to cut up… can i do anavar 10mg daily and .25 cc of test 100 , 1x a week. Or should I just do one or the other, what’s best to trim, cut up.
Hello Monica, thanks for the comment, that’s impressive. I would just do anavar, but maybe do 15 mg daily. I don’t think you need to take Testosterone. Keep doing what you’re doing and you’ll cut up pretty quickly, especially on anavar. A fat burner like ”Red Burner” from Red Supplements wouldn’t hurt either.
Hey man! So 200mg a week of test can be .29 everyday for 7 days correct or is it more safe to do Monday , Wednesday, Friday! And if so for the MWF what are those injections for those days.
Test cyp 300 btw
Hey Marty,
I’ve never dosed it like that. Test Cypionate is long-chain test, which means it stays in your system longer. I only dosed (and still dose) once a week. If you’re adamant about tkaing it more than once a week I would dose Monday’s and Thursday’s at 150 mgs. a dose.
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I have a question….
I am already taking 150 mg of test cyp. Could I bump up to 300 mg of test for 3 weeks and then do 6 weeks on winsterol? I was thinking maybe after that I could do 6 weeks of anavar.
Or would you do just winsterol for six weeks, cycle off then do all 3 for a cycle?
If it were me, I would do just winstrol for six weeks, cycle off then do all 3 for a cycle.
Or I would just do Test for the 1st cycle, then all 3 for the 2nd cycle.
-Matt
How long would you cycle off winny before beginning all 3?
Hi,
Are your pictures using tabs or injectables?
Thanks for all the info above!
In the pics and the article I was injecting Testosterone and doing orals for the winstrol and anavar.
Although I don’t agree with your philosophy on doing a single steroid for a cycle your info on winstrol is appreciated. This is my first cycle pyramiding winstrol in the mix. I’m just finishing my 5th week of t400, eq, winstrol app proviron. And as I am turning 50 in a few months this unfortunately will be the last cycle I do. I have to say that I’m very impressed with this cycle after 5 weeks. One more week to go and I’ll be dropping the winstrol.
hi Matt, why did you use oral winstrol VS injectable
Because injectable winstrol is water based and I heard it really hurts upon injecting.
Hi so I’m going to take test 400 two slow esters for 1-10 weeks and at week 3 or 4 I’m going to start with winstrol 40mgs a day. But what I’m unsure about is when should I start taking PCT? And for PCT I’m going to take nolvladex and hcg
Was a pretty useful and decent read! results look good too, thanks for the blog.
Hey, i used to get Toraxx from my friend but since he moved i dont know where to buy. Do you know a site i can purchase from? I used to run Testosterone Enanthate. Let me know.
JP
Hey,
Where did you source the test from ?
Got any links ?
Can I run 300mg test cyp /week with stanzalol 20mg daily
Yes I’m sure that’s (probably) fine, its not much different than what I did, as long as you’ve done your months and months of research and you feel you’re making the most informed decision for yourself.
Hey Matt,
Great content, very informative. I was wondering if you could recommend a type of doctor that could help me to get anavar or if there is a site you can recommend to get some that is pure because I don’t want to be getting something I didn’t pay for or be taking Dbol when that can cause me to have serious side effects.
Thank so much!
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It’s the information I was researching. This article nailed it. Thank you for sharing.
Your recommendation for Winny is a 6 week cycle. I take my health benefits/risk serious too so I don’t want to take it past the recommended cycle.
After I complete the first 6 weeks, how long after could I start another Winny cycle?
Thank you
I would wait about 8-10 weeks in between cycles (if it were me)
Thank you for the valuable information. Looks like everything worked out great for you. I anticipate similar results.
Regards,
Joe
Hey Matt-
Thanks for the great post. My first cycle I did “var” only and had some small gains as expected. I’m ready to start Cycle 2 this time var and T-gel. I know I’m a wuss for not doing injections, but even the gel should intensify the results of the var. Two questions for you…
– even though T-gel is much milder would you still run its a few weeks before starting var?
– For cycle 3 I’m thinking of running Winny instead of var…all the research I’ve seen indicates its a bit more effective without being extreme as some others. What are your thoughts?
Thanks again!
cheers
Jeff
Thanks Jeff,
Yes I would still run it a few weeks before, maybe even 4-5 since its a gel and not being injected. I personally found Winstrol to be more effective than Anavar. Make sure you take a supplement for your joints like Glucosamine Chondrotin MSM, as winstrol is hard on your joints.
Great write up. I’ve started researching my first cycle (did a winny only in college) but unsure where to start. I currently get TRT at a low t center. My injections have varied from 160 mg to 240 weekly. Should I put that on pause and give myself my own injections? If not I currently have 20 mL of Winn50 and thinking about doing it with dianabol and just getting the dose that the center gives me for my test. Thoughts? With winny injections, I’ve seen some do it every other day and some every 3rd day, and some everyday. Suggestions.
Thanks in advance
160-240 mg. a week is probably fine, especially if that’s what they prescribed you. I would just stick with that for now. I’ve heard that water-based injections (like Winny) tend to hurt and be pretty painful, I’ve only ever taken oil-based injections (Test, EQ, Primobolan), and the times I’ve taken Winstrol I’ve always taken orals. I believe I’ve only taken 2 (possibly 3) oral cycles of Winstrol. You don’t want to take a bunch of oral cycles either, as they’re very harsh on your liver. If you’re going to do them, do them strategically, carefully, and only when your self-discipline is at a peak level.
Hi there, thanks for sharing.
I have a question please
How do you think i should take the dosage?
I have
1- testosterone enanthate
2- winstrol – stanazol 100 mg
3- oxandrolone – Anavar 100mg
Thank you.
It depends on how much you weigh, I weigh 180-200 lbs., and the dosage structure I outlined in this article worked well for me. So all I can say is that if you’re a similar weight to me, then you’d probably do well following the same dosage I talked about above.
hello matt , and great content by the way !! I will be starting my first cycle soon , I a’m a 30 year old female. I’m 5’3 I currently weighing around 179-180 lbs !! I train 6 days a week with some cardio here and there !! My question is how should i run my first cycle ? I have a 12 week cycle of anavar and winny with novedex for a pct .
Thank you for the comment, I’d probably start with half the size of the dosages I outlined here (50% of what I did), if that ends up not being enough you could increase the dosages by .25% (75% of what I did). At least at 75%-100% of what I did you should see results. I was about 190 lbs when I started this cycle, and I’m 5’10, so I had slightly more weight on me than where you currently are.
Hey Matt,
What an awesome post man, i´ve been thinking for some time to run my fist cycle but cant decide if i should start with testosterone inyections alone or oxa alone. Did you use some aromatase inhibitor together with your test shots? or did you got it coverd with your PCT?. I´m 35 yo male 5’9, 155 lb, do you think 200 mg/week test would be good for me?
Thank you
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Matt, did you the test var winny stack have any effect on your sex drive and performance?